When will Christianity be but a speck in the distance?

April 29, 2007 at 5:24 pm 9 comments

RoadI’ve been asked why we focus so much on Christianity on this blog. Well, I believe we focus more on the Bible than Christianity. In fact, Christians have taken issue with my broad strokes of defining their beliefs when I use the Bible to define them vs. what Christianity is today.

I’m an agnostic atheist. That means that I choose to believe there is no God while accepting the possibility that there is a creator or creators out there. And yes, ladies, the creator(s) could be of a feminine nature. However, my spell-check says that “creatress” is not a word or I would use it. Wait a minute! I just did.

Ironically, because of our definition of Agnostic Atheism, there is room for agnostic theists who may lean towards believing in a deity but without certainty. These individuals are different than agnostics who primarily accept a particular religion’s definition of God without certainty. Agnostic Atheism includes agnostic theists who acknowledge that the the patriarchal religions (Judaism, Christianity, & Islam) do not accurately describe a possible deity. In fact, there are contributors to this blog who are agnostic theists.

So why do we focus on Christianity or the Bible? Well, many of our writers are in the process of defining their beliefs and use Christianity as the line in the sand to define those beliefs. In other words, here’s what we believe and here’s how it’s different than what we believed formerly. That comparison helps us to define what we’re saying. I’m sure as time goes on, we may not need to use this line.

Personally, I’d like to get to the place Karen described in a comment on a previous blog:

I think where positive definitions come in are with groups like freethinkers, secularists and humanists. Instead of being defined by a negative (no belief in god) they choose to define themselves in positive terms (they believe in respecting the value and potential of humanity).

I look forward to the day that my atheism is defined in positive terms and not in it’s relation to Christianity. I look forward to the day when I can look back and Christianity is just a speck in the distance and I’m only concerned with how to make a positive impact on those around me.

– Agnostic Atheist

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  • 1. Justin  |  April 29, 2007 at 6:21 pm

    interesting take. I actually wrote a book on the subject of your blog. The publisher has not told me the release date yet, but I am guessing sometime in the fall. Simply put, it provides evidence for God without using biblical references (as they can be seen as unreliable to an non-believer).

    Your blog is very well organized, have a great day!

    http://politicsandreligion.wordpress.com

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  • 2. agnosticatheist  |  April 29, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    Justin,

    Can you tell us a little more about your book?

    aA

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  • 3. pastorofdisaster  |  April 30, 2007 at 4:54 am

    I once had a supervisor that said that we repeat the stories that we haven’t been able to fully hear ourselves. That is why I think we all use those painful experiences with religion to define our present. I couldn’t move in a positive direction from the abusive Christianity of my youth without retelling the story and being honest with myself. This means retelling the story in a way that I can hear what it really means to my present formation. So, hopefully the more that you are able to hear your own story by clarifying it on these pages the greater distance you are able to bring to the story of your past. I hope that it brings about the speck that you desire. It sounds like you are already moving positively in that direction.

    Peace

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  • 4. Rebecca  |  April 30, 2007 at 2:46 pm

    aA,

    As one who has been there, I can tell you that it does become easier with time. There is no set time for any one of us. It’s an individaul journey. The writing of it, the telling of it is for some of us, an important part of the journy and for many the healing part.

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  • 5. Karen  |  April 30, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    I look forward to the day that my atheism is defined in positive terms and not in it’s relation to Christianity. I look forward to the day when I can look back and Christianity is just a speck in the distance and I’m only concerned with how to make a positive impact on those around me.

    It’s a long process. Someone in my support group once estimated that recovery from religion takes one year to two years for every decade you were indoctrinated in religion.

    So, I began to entertain long-repressed doubts in the late ’90s, seriously and openly started questioning after 9/11, pulled away from Christianity in 2002. After five years, I’m just now starting to see that speck receding into the distance, which makes sense because I was a Christian for 30 years.

    It’s hard to imagine something taking that long to get over, but it’s probably good and necessary not to have “overnight” deconversions.

    Speaking of positive groups, I belong to the Skeptics Society and attended one of their lectures yesterday. The speaker, Carol Tavris, talked about cognitive dissonance and how/why people hold on to cherished beliefs even in the face of disproving evidence. She also talked about self-justification and how, once we “throw in” with a particular group, brand of car, breed of cat or anything, we spend a lot of time mentally justifying our decisions.

    Someone asked why religion seems particularly impenetrable to disproving evidence, and she said that the more a belief or decision is tied to our self-concept, the stronger we hold onto it. Letting it go involves deconstructing our very selves and is enormously painful (as many of us know). Most people would rather avoid that pain and keep up the justification, and I certainly can’t blame them for it.

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  • 6. Justin  |  May 1, 2007 at 12:41 am

    HI, sorry, i never saw your reply! Of course, i can tell you about my book. It uses arguments from morality, mathematics, astronomy, reason, logic, etc. to demonstrate the existence of a God. It’s not long, it’s probably only going to be 85pages. Also, I’m not some “in love with myself” theologist…so it’s very down to earth and spelled out in laymen terms.

    It goes through editing in May, so I think I’ll have a better idea (hopefully) on it’s release date. Thanks for your interest!!

    http://politicsandreligion.wordpress.com

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  • 7. Mike Q  |  May 1, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Wow Justin, your book will probably be added to the bible! The book of Justin! Mathematical proof that there is a god!? Hmmmm. Well, I sincerely hope for nothing but best wishes with your endeavor Justin.

    PS: This is my first post here, I recently discovered that I am “agnostic” But this is an interesting web site! I’m glad that I surfed on in here today!

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  • 8. layguy  |  May 7, 2007 at 9:55 am

    lol – in answer to you post question…never! Get used to it!

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  • 9. AskWhy Books  |  November 18, 2007 at 4:32 pm

    85 pages on all those different fields of learning is modest enough to prove such a grand topic as God. Most people just accept what they read in the bible as sufficient proof of their belief. Yet there never seems to be much interest among Christians that the events reported in the bible have simply been misinterpreted by simple and impressionable people. Even the gospels depict the apostles as stupid, so why should we imagine their view of the events was right? Dr M D Magee explains this, and much more, fully at our website, Askwhy Publications, which at core shows that Judaism and Christianity are explainable perfectly rationally without any need of supernaturalism. Christians have to believe that this is not so, yet it is by far more likely. than that a God bigger than the universe could devise such a primitive plan of salvation.

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Agnostic Atheism Wager

Whether or not you believe in God, you should live your life with love, kindness, compassion, mercy and tolerance while trying to make the world a better place. If there is no God, you have lost nothing and will have made a positive impact on those around you. If there is a benevolent God, you will be judged on your merits and not just on whether or not you ignored the lack of evidence of his/her existence and blindly believed.

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